Sunday 10 October 2010

Week 6 NCAA football rankings using Noahchain

Here are the first rankings of the college football season.
Well done TCU and LSU who would be in the national chanpionship game if the season ended today and my rankings were used.


1 TCU


2 LSU

3 Oklahoma

4 Michigan st

5 Oregon

6 Auburn

7 Boise st

8 Stanford

9 Nebraska

10 Missouri

11 Arizona

12 South Carolina

13 Alabama

14 Kansas st

15 Nevada

16 Air Force

17 Florida st

18 Oregon st

19 Ohio state

20 Iowa

21 Michigan

22 Oklahoma st

23 Illinois

24 California

25 Wisconsin

26 Arkansas

27 Mississippi st

28 Iowa st

29 West Virginia

30 Utah

31 Arizona St

32 Maryland

33 Hawai`i

34 Temple

35 Penn state

36 Colorado

37 Navy

38 Florida

39 Northern Illinois

40 UCLA

41 Notre Dame

42 Houston

43 Miami FL

44 Southern Cal

45 Northwestern

46 Baylor

47 Purdue

48 Syracuse

49 Toledo

50 Texas A&M

51 Texas

52 Wyoming

53 Texas Tech

54 UTEP

55 SMU

56 Washington

57 Indiana

58 Idaho

59 San Diego st

60 South Florida

61 Pittsburgh

62 Tennessee

63 Army

64 Western Michigan

65 Georgia

66 Connecticut

67 Brigham Young

68 Southern Miss

69 Louisiana Tech

70 Clemson

71 Troy

72 Washington st

73 Louisiana-Monroe

74 Vanderbilt

75 Ohio U.

76 Central Florida

77 Colorado st

78 North Carolina

79 Buffalo

80 Louisville

81 Miami OH

82 UNLV

83 Duke

84 Tulsa

85 Virginia

86 Rice

87 North Carolina St

88 Rutgers

89 Utah st

90 Wake Forest

91 Marshall

92 Florida Int'l

93 Arkansas St

94 Alabama-Birmingham

95 Florida Atlantic

96 Cincinnati

97 Kent st

98 Bowling Green

99 Louisiana-Lafayette

100 Fresno st

101 Georgia Tech

102 East Carolina

103 Tulane

104 Memphis

105 Western Kentucky

106 New Mexico

107 North Texas

108 Kentucky

109 Boston College

110 Middle Tennessee St

111 New Mexico st

112 Virginia Tech

113 Eastern Michigan

114 Mississippi

115 Central Michigan

116 Ball St

117 Kansas

118 San José St

119 Minnesota

120 aa

121 Akron

4 comments:

  1. How are these ratings calculated? Because to be honest they are a load of crap. Virginia Tech being ranked 112!!! Really!! Behind three teams that they beat convincingly. I know they lost to a D1-AA school, but it was by less than any of their wins. (BTW, only one other system listed in Massey's Comparison puts them below 45).

    Mississippi is behind all three teams they beat, all of whom have worse records against not as good teams. There are other blatant flaws that indicate a lack of credibility, but these are two that are immediately obvious.

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  2. Dear Josh

    Thank you for the feedback.

    In terms of how the system works the google doc on this blogsite and a blogpost explains it thoroughly but in brief each team is compared to every other team and chains of victories or defeats that connect the two teams are calculated. e.g. Michigan state beat Michigan who beat Notre Dame who beat Boston College. So Michigan State has a primary win over Michigan a second level win over Notre Dame and a third level win over Boston College. Michigan State also beat Notre Dame so they also have a primary win over the Irish. These types of chains are calculated and then added up with long chains counting for less. The probability of Michigan State being "better" than Notre Dame is then calculated. The final rankings are the averages of these probabilities against all other 119 FBS teams and the combined FCS teams ("aa" in the rankings).
    Margin of victory and location of a game are not taken into account as per the BCS computer ranking rules.

    You actually touched on the reason so many teams in my rankings are much lower than the consensus rankings and that is because they lost to 1-AA teams or lost to teams that lost to 1-AA teams which is punished quite severely by my system.

    However on reflection I think I need to adjust how I deal with 1-AA teams, currently they are all grouped together as one "superteam". However this results in a loss to a 1-AA team being much worse than a loss to a bad FBS team, as currently around 70 teams have beaten 1-AA opposition and so gain second level victories over teams such as Virginia Tech or Ole Miss who lost to 1-AA opposition. Whereas losing to a 1-11 team would mean you would only have 11 second level losses as a result of that game.

    Therefore for next week (week 7) I will adjust the FCS superteam record by dividing each victory by 7.5 (the FCS superteam plays around 90-95 games a year compared with the normal 12 and 90/12 = ~7.5) so that the number of secondary losses Virginia Tech suffer is proportionate to having lost to a bad team. So as Indiana beat Towson they will now only gain c~13% of a secondary victory over Virginia Tech rather than 100% of a full victory at present.

    Dealing with 1-AA teams is a difficulty all computer ranking systems have but hopefully next week the rankings should be fairer to teams who lose to 1-AA opposition.

    My ranking has faired very poorly against the Massey site's consensus probably due to the over-penalising of 1-AA teams but it has done well looking at ranking violation% among the top 25 teams so it will be interesting to see how the adjustment affects things next week.

    James

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  3. I still think your system will never mean much if you lump all 1AA teams together. JMU and ND State are better than VMI and Towson. Counting wins against Kansas and VT for beating teams at the bottom of the FCS makes your poll lose all credibility. You might as well not even count FCS games at all if you are going to lump them all together.

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  4. Anonymous

    I think ignoring FCS games is completely wrong (Virginia Tech's loss to James Madison should be ignored?) but how to deal with them is a tricky issue.

    Of the 6 BCS approved computer programs I cannot determine how Billingley or A and H deal with the issue. Wolfe, Massey and Sagarin actually rank every team at every level. So Sagarin currently has Delaware at No.18 Massey has them at 39 with Jacksonville at 41 but I assume these are omitted from the rankings on the comparison site. Colley originally ignored FCS teams but he now groups them into groups of teams i.e. FCS 1 FCS 2 etc with FCS group 10 currently at No.95. I remember reading a detailed description of how he did this but I can't now find it on his website.

    The Mease system which is a similar MLE to Massey does group all FCS teams as one superteam so I dont think it is without precedent or outrageous.

    Ideally I would also rank every team in the country but that is beyond my computer abilities as I am struggling to rank 120+1 hence the need for my fudge. If the correction I discussed above corrects the wildness of some of my rankings does it matter?

    As an aside while there are c.109 rating systems for FBS on the Massey site there are only c.40 for FCS so I suspect many of the other ranking systems deal with this issue somehow and I would like to know how other systems deal with this.

    JMC

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